Showing posts with label 1 John. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 1 John. Show all posts

Friday, August 7, 2009

In response to Caitlin/1 John

This troubles me a bit (not irregular, I hear).

Your point on birth is very interesting, the relationship between humans and their origins, and how their origins can somehow change? I. e. a man can live the better half of his life in sin and be born of the devil yet convert and alter his roots. The "birth" aligns with the conversion. The man's nature resituates.

What does it say about a human when he is created with the ability to change where he comes from, so-to-speak; and to what extent can he change it? Like Dr Reynolds said, we are all created in the image of God, we all come from God and carry some spark of the divine. At the conceptual stage we are good creatures but turn rotten. And if evil is merely a perversion of good, then this rotten nature is, most simply, a perversion of man's "God-birthed" nature.

That seems a rather sad statement, that man's nature is entirely unnatural.

Does 1 John say that that "unnatural nature" can change before death? It would be lovely (and seems supported by the saint) if the human were able to be refined before his body and soul are separated. But how does divine fatherhood play into this? What of the motherhood depicted in Revelation 12 between the Mother of God/the Church, and her children?

Are we born as children of God and then, at some undetermined age, affirm or deny our parentage?
What would this teaching say about the Calvinist theory of complete depravity - that humans are, for their part, utterly incapable of doing any good meriting divine love?
And what of St John's Revelation? If we are at our births the children of God, then at what point do we become the children of the woman figure depicted in chapter 12? Are these two different processes?

Pardon me if I am scatterbrained but saints are confusing.

-Christian

Thursday, August 6, 2009

Starting with 1 John... onward and upward.

Hey Crito-birds;

May God have mercy on us, open our eyes to His truth, and help us to get past ourselves as we seek that truth.

So, the first question:

1 John 3:1-2, ESV

“See what kind of love the Father has given us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.”

This seems to say that we are the children of God.

3: 6-10

“No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil; whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.”

But this is pretty clear that those who make a practice of sinning are not born of God, and we know that we sin.

4:7

“Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.”

If we love each other, we’ve been born of God.

5:1

“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.”

This says love is keeping his commandments. Not keeping his commandments is sin, thus not loving is sin because not loving is not keeping his commandments.

So: my question—are we or are we not born of God?

We know that we still sin, but is the act of sinning the same as the practice of sinning? And if we are not born of God because we sin, who is born of God? What about love? If we live our lives in the practice of love, but still sin, where does that leave us?